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[00:00:00] Marissa Raglin: Hello and welcome to the Rally podcast. I’m Marissa Raglin 

[00:00:14] Josh Vaughn: And I’m Josh Vaughn and together we are Rally. 

Rally is passionate about cultivating community through creativity. In this podcast series, we explore creative communities in the communal landscapes they foster. Today. We’re sitting now on Nathan Poppe. He’s a designer photographer, videographer journalist editor, and chief of the Curbside Chronicle and an enamel pin mogul.

Welcome to the podcast, Nathan, and welcome to my living room. Okay, so let’s jump right into it. Nathan, where did we meet? Do you remember? 

[00:00:37] Nathan Poppe: Wait, where did we meet? It would have been at the Paseo Photo Fest, if I’m not mistaken, that’s all I think. So that was the, really, the first time I had ever done like a group show or real photo show and actually not, was I judging that one?

[00:00:55] Josh Vaughn: Yeah, before you did a show, you were like the juror.

[00:00:57] Nathan Poppe: That’s even more hilarious. Not to say I’m not a wonderful photographer, but even I kind of questioned this decision-making into that, but I definitely remember who won the winner of that was related to you. 

[00:01:10] Marissa Raglin: That’s right. My husband. 

[00:01:11] Nathan Poppe: Another Nathan, very, very talented photographer as well. 

[00:01:14] Marissa Raglin: I remember when you had worded that you were like, and the award goes to another Nathan. 

[00:01:20] Nathan Poppe: I am biased to Nathan, so I’ll be honest, but yeah. It was fun, but that was a fantastic event all around. If anybody’s listening to this and has never been a part of Photo Fest, what a great way to just like dip your toe in, see what it’s like to have your stuff, get judged and just meet some other photographers that are making interesting work gets it’s.

Yeah. Let’s connect people like you and you and me and us three. So yeah. 

[00:01:46] Marissa Raglin: And the Paseo has, you know, a great venue to showcase work too

[00:01:50] Josh Vaughn: And we have sponsorships open if the Paseo is interested. 

[00:01:53] Nathan Poppe: Like, share, subscribe. 

[00:01:54] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. I agree with you on that, about the Photo Fest. I’ve tried to be involved in it every year for that reason, is it wasn’t I didn’t really care if I won anything, but just the photographers that are involved in it are from beginners to people who’ve been at it forever. I mean, it was such a neat gathering of people. 

[00:02:10] Nathan Poppe: And so I seriously doubt, I’d be sitting here in your living room if I wasn’t a part of that. 

[00:02:15] Josh Vaughn: Yeah, definitely.

[00:02:16] Nathan Poppe: It’s been like silently stalking you on the internet, 

[00:02:20] Josh Vaughn: You’re liking and sharing, but not tagging me.

[00:02:23] Nathan Poppe: Sending you little hearts. 

[00:02:26] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. I was like, this is me personally, or my photo?

[00:02:30] Nathan Poppe: Who’s to say.

[00:02:31] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. And from that I remember the next year, you know, we had, we had made some connections or whatever, but we went and got drinks and I think Chase Kerby was with us and he’d made the show as well. And we hung out then, but then quickly we found out after that, that we were next door neighbors.

[00:02:46] Nathan Poppe: Literally down the street, did not know it.

[00:02:49] Marissa Raglin: I didn’t know this.

[00:02:49] Josh Vaughn: He used to live a block and a half, two blocks that way. And so that’s how Kevin would come over and play with my dog Moss. His dog, Kevin would come and play with my dog. And so that’s how we kind of got to know each other. 

[00:03:01] Nathan Poppe: Small, Oklahoma smaller everyday. I might just move into this living room.

[00:03:05] Josh Vaughn: That’s fine. We got plenty of room in now. We have so many people in and out Cathy would not notice. 

[00:03:09] Nathan Poppe: So shout out to Cathy. Yeah. 

[00:03:12] Josh Vaughn: So on your website, you refer to yourself as a concert photographer, videographer and documenter of all things, Oklahoma. We will talk much more about your experience as a photographer and a videographer, but first off, I want you to elaborate on being a documenter of all things, Oklahoma, and also why?

[00:03:27] Nathan Poppe: So the reason I say that is because I get a kick out of all of the connections back to Oklahoma, I sincerely feel like there’s a supernatural wealth of talent in this state. It’s kind of almost like everything from the east coast, everything from the west coast, all kinds eventually finds its way to the middle.

And we kind of figure out what we want to do with it, put our own twist on it and send it back out into the center, back out into the world. And Oklahoma is just a fascinating place. And so I want to know who’s from here, what they’re making, why they’re making it. And if I can be a part of that. Fantastic.

And it just surprises me every day that like we’ve got somebody like Wanda Jackson lives in Oklahoma City, you know, a pioneer of rock and roll that kicks so much ass. So, other ladies and musicians could do the same thing down the road, but she was doing it like more than 50 years ago. And it all ties back to Oklahoma.

Here’s this lady that dated Elvis. And I can’t say I’d ever did that. Then you get to connections to like Brad Pitt’s from here. What. Why?

[00:04:29] Josh Vaughn: Exactly. That’s one of my, my reasons is I like the way that you draw out all these connections, just knowing you and, and you’re talking to you are a person who sees all the flaws that Oklahoma has, and then you’re like, these things are not real hot, but look at all this amazing stuff happened.

And so you’re kind of are a champion of all things, Oklahoma. And I appreciate that. And I definitely just like hearing you talk about it, because I know that it’s not, it’s not something that’s contrived or. Made up or you’re just like, woo. Are you here from Oklahoma originally?

[00:04:58] Nathan Poppe: So I got a secret…I’m actually from Texas. 

[00:05:01] Josh Vaughn: Oh, dang. 

[00:05:02] Nathan Poppe: I know nobody’s perfect. But I got out of there pretty quick. We moved to Oklahoma city when I was about six months. I told my parents, my first words was I can’t handle the traffic. We gotta, we gotta get out of Dallas. And so we moved here to Oklahoma city and lived here for most of my life, spent a little time in the Tulsa/Broken Arrow area in middle school, and then came back for high school and did the college thing and Stillwater at OSU.

And I’m back. 

[00:05:23] Josh Vaughn: Cool. 

[00:05:23] Nathan Poppe: Oklahoma city has been, always been, home to me. 

That’s awesome. 

[00:05:26] Marissa Raglin: That’s great. Do you see yourself as a creative? 

[00:05:29] Nathan Poppe: I’m always so scared to, to like use it as a title. But I love to create things. I would say more than a creative. I’m an amateur, the root word of that is love. And so I just, I will love to work on things I love to work on.

So. I’m glad that that’s gotten to take me in a lot of different directions. I’ve tried a lot of different things. Over the years I wear a lot of hats, not just because I’m bald, but because I just want to be a little bit good at several things instead of a master of one, you know? 

[00:05:57] Josh Vaughn: Well, I would say, I would say you’re a master of, or approaching that in several different areas.

So that leads us to like, tell us a little bit about your origin story at what inflection point does the mild mannered reporter by day become the concert pit photographer by night? 

[00:06:11] Nathan Poppe: I got bit by a radioactive concert photographer one night at the Diamond Ballroom and I’ve never been the same since. 

[00:06:17] Marissa Raglin: Your spidey senses. 

[00:06:19] Josh Vaughn: That rash has never gone away.

[00:06:21] Nathan Poppe: I can’t believe he bit me there, but the evidence can’t lie.

I really started getting into like photography at Oklahoma State, honestly, before I ever picked up a camera, I was terrified of, I mean, ever watch Jurassic Park, when they tell the kids to put down the binoculars, cause they’re heavy, that means they’re expensive. I was terrified. I thought I would just drop a $2,000 lens right down a toilet or something and it scar me for life.

But I had a lot of really talented friends at Oklahoma State. I worked at the student newspaper. The Daily O’Collegian, or the O’Colly, if you’re a Stillwater kid. And so. That’s where I got a lot of practice. Me and my friends started a music show, a live music show called On. We made a few hundred videos while I was there.

And so that was awesome. We could make a million mistakes and nobody would ever know about it, but it’s all on YouTube. So I guess if you really want to know about it, it’s out there. It was just so much fun to make stuff with my friends. And at the time Stillwater just had like a crazy amount of talent and there’s this band there called Other Lives.

When I graduated, they went and started touring with Radiohead. Another band called Colourmusic, their drummers now in the Flaming Lips. And that’s cool. There’s another band called DEERPEOPLE. And I once organized a house show and they headlined and the cops busted it at one house and then we moved it to the deer house and finished it there.

You could do stuff like that. There was a lot of freedom because, and Stillwater at the time didn’t have like an all ages venue. So I, was passionate about music, so I was like, I guess maybe we can bring it here and make something happen. So all that to say it just kind of spiraled into working at the Oklahoman.

Down the road and getting to, into some other fun music opportunities, but all kind of ties back to this idea that there’s so many talented people that are very giving of their time. And, you know, I don’t have a lick of music ability. I could maybe brush off some of my sixth grade trombone skills, but I don’t think people at home want to hear that.

[00:08:10] Josh Vaughn: I want to go back and I want to ask you a little bit about your time at the Oklahoman. At one point, you propose to go to 200 concerts in a year and you did it and you photographed them?

[00:08:21] Nathan Poppe: Oh yeah. I’d say I went to anywhere between 200 and 300 music sets during the course of a year. 

[00:08:27] Josh Vaughn: Holy crap.

[00:08:29] Nathan Poppe: That is what I did. I was really passionate about it. And you know, it’s funny kind of, I was looking back at every photo I’ve taken over the years. Almost all of them are on flicker and it’s around like 10 or 12,000. And I was like, oh, there we go. There’s my 10,000 hours. I should be a pro. 

[00:08:45] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. So in that, was there a moment in those 10,000 hours that you felt like, oh wait, I’m doing it. I’m here. I’m doing what I would have dreamed of doing. I’m a concert photographer. This is a moment that is like forever burned into my psyche. The like I did it.

[00:09:04] Nathan Poppe: Man, really? Like maybe it’s somewhat short-sighted, but literally one of my bucket lists, main goals, like do this and I would be, I could die happy was shooting, a Flaming Lips concert. 

[00:09:18] Josh Vaughn: Sweet. 

[00:09:18] Nathan Poppe: And there’s so much fun. I’ve done it several times since, and every time, once the confetti blasts start going off, it’s just like pure adrenaline. And you’re just like, ah, I gotta capture something in this, this whirlwind of colors, but those have always been super duper special.

They were the band that made me fall in love with music and concerts. And so actually getting to be a part of, one of those and shooting music videos, and documenting some of their stuff. I was like, okay, I’m good. I have to do it again. So I don’t know. I’m pretty much good. I could die happy tomorrow. 

[00:09:50] Marissa Raglin: I would love to have you describe more of your experience at the Flaming Lips concert and this most recent like pandemic concert.

[00:09:59] Nathan Poppe: Oh, so the, the bubble show, man, that was a trip. So for the bubble show, Flaming Lips, they’re kind of famous for their lead singer crowd surfing and an enormous inflatable plastic bubble. And so they applied that concept to an entire crowd. So there were 100 bubbles filled with up to three people per bubble.

So you gotta really trust who’s in your bubble with you. You gotta be comfortable with breathing their air for an hour. And they did this pandemic bubble show. Oh yeah. There was a lot of farts. Let’s be honest. Those people, some of them had Chelino’s and they’re not perfect. It was a trip, man.

That was, that was. I woke up the night after the first one. And I was like, did I just dream? That was that out of a, that’s cool. A movie. And I was part of the film crew for that one, putting together a documentary with some of that footage. And I got to see a little bit of it and it’s, it’s a trip, man.

[00:10:53] Josh Vaughn: That was cool. 

[00:10:54] Nathan Poppe: I love them just because they’re tireless. They’re always working, trying to make joy happen, make their music happen. And nobody else in the world got to experience something like that. Then it happened again here in this weird little place that we call home. 

[00:11:10] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. That’s awesome. One thing that I appreciate, I remember reading, reading Wayne Coyne and some magazine of forever ago.

And he was, they were talking about, you know, you’ve got to go all over the world and get to see all different types of things. And what are one of the most memorable things you’ve ever witnessed. And he said a sunset in Oklahoma. He said, I’ve been all over the world. He says still that there’s, there’s ones that stand out to me that I haven’t seen anything like them.

And so I was like, oh man, somebody say something like that. It’s just, you gotta appreciate that as, as an Okie. 

[00:11:40] Nathan Poppe: So when I was growing up we had this artist, his name is Mike Wimmer. He’s done a lot of different illustrations over the years, but he illustrated The Lion King soundtrack, CD cover. And I remember looking at it, growing up in a house like that feels like our sunsets.

And then I learned who did it. And I’m like, that’s because he’s the guy. He’s the guy that did it. And he’s from here has to be an Oklahoma sunset. They are, they are supernatural. 

[00:12:06] Josh Vaughn: That is cool. 

[00:12:08] Marissa Raglin: He also did Mr. Clean. 

[00:12:10] Nathan Poppe: I did not know that. And Celestial Tea. That’s funny, Bengal Spice is excellent flavor.

Yeah. Wild stuff, Mr. Clean. That’s pretty impressive. 

[00:12:18] Josh Vaughn: So I didn’t know that he had like a commercial background. I know him from his, his portraiture stuff, and then, you know, being a professor.

[00:12:25] Nathan Poppe: He illustrated some kids’ books. One was about Will Rogers and another about Babe Ruth. And he was like the first artist I’ve met besides like my elementary school art teacher, shout out to Miss Richie. But that made me realize that like, oh, this can be like, somebody can draw for a living. Somebody can make art for a living. Yeah. How do you do that? Yeah. Okay. Million-dollar question right there. 

[00:12:45] Josh Vaughn: I didn’t realize that as an option whenever I was growing up, it wasn’t until I was an adult.

I mean, the weird thing is if you look in my, and like my senior, like you have this book that everybody passed around and you have different things that you write in and mine, it says, you know, what do you want to be? You know, 10 years 15 from now that I was like a state championship basketball coach or a graphic designer.

I didn’t even know what a graphic designer was!

[00:13:10] Nathan Poppe: Whichever pays less. 

[00:13:11] Josh Vaughn: I just knew I was an artist and I would be able to do art and work. And like, that’d be part of my job. And yeah, so I am a graphic designer now. I just, I don’t get to do that much art ironically, yet. I have other art outputs, so.

You’ve experienced more of the local and regional music scene. What is the talent level like and what does the scene have going for it? 

[00:13:37] Nathan Poppe: Let’s see. That’s a good question. I think one of the coolest things that we’re seeing now, at least in Oklahoma City is some more venues to highlight the talent that we do have Jones Assembly, Tower Theater, Criterion.

They even fixed up the old conservatory, 89th street collectives looking better. I’m sure I’m missing a couple, but it’s been exciting to, you know, see how beer city is going to be built in the not too distant future. It’s just, it’s just exciting to see it be more of a regular thing. When you think about like OU or OSU college football game or basketball game or what the Thunder is up to, you know, you fully know what you’re going to expect when you go into those things.

And what I would love is that, you know, Any night, you could walk into the Tower Theater, you’re going to see something really excellent or special. And so it’s cool seeing people sound good. Yeah. 

[00:14:31] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. I have actually venues that have sound systems that can adequately reproduce the sound of, this is what we actually sound like. Not what we sound like through your crappy speakers. 

[00:14:39] Nathan Poppe: Absolutely. And so it’s, it’s, it’s been exciting to see the venue world change. And I mean, the Oklahoma Rock Show is, is, is a huge gift and shine. They play it on KOSU every Friday night. And there’s almost always new music from somebody. That’s what blows my mind is just how often bands here will surprise you.

Something will pop up on there. And I’m just like, why isn’t this playing everywhere? It’s fantastic. And so, you know my dream for so many people is that they can, they can make this their day job, that they can do this, always that they can make music and, and stick with it. And obviously, you know, that’s not easy.

I know a lot of people that, you know, tour around the world, but they still have to work at Empire Slice House to, to pay the dues make their life work. And, you know, there’s nothing wrong with that, but that’s just the way the world is sometimes. And I would just hope that people with massive amount of talent, just get to focus on music and get their work out there. I mean, there’s, I could name people all day, but I, feel like somebody like Samantha Crane, one of the most brilliant songwriters in our state let alone the entire country, like just phenomenal. You look at somebody like, even somebody like a Luke Dick who we’ve talked about before.

[00:15:52] Josh Vaughn: We were talking about Luke Dick right before you got here.

He’s a Nashville singer songwriter doing all these co-write sessions and working on songs with Natalie Hemby for Kacey Musgraves and Miranda Lambert and Dirks Bentley, and bands people have actually heard of. Bands my mom has heard of. 

Yeah, but my biggest appreciation of Luke Dick, though, what we were talking about as his band and is seeing them open for Scissortail Park opening. And there were plenty of other great bands and some people would swear, you know, some of the best Oklahoma bands ever.

I was there for the whole thing, shot it. And I honestly think they had the best set. I mean, I feel it just, Steve was just like the energy they brought and just the connection to the audience that there was half, there was a quarter of the people there at that time that were there for know, bands that finished out the night.

And, but the energy was just the man. You could feel it just bowl you over. I mean, it just, they’re so honest and so raw and loved them. 

[00:16:59] Nathan Poppe: There’s, there’s a fantastic amount of talented people here. And you never know where one of these people is going to pop up, but Steve came out of nowhere for you. I’m sure that surprised a lot of other people that was actually like, I mean, that was the Kings of Leon concert know they got paid, however, zillion billion dollars to come and do that.

And I just love that you liked Steve more than them.

[00:17:18] Josh Vaughn: I did. No I did. And part of it was part of it was the writer in me and then part of it was just the I actually in a former life really enjoyed concerts now that I’m old. Old that I could just like, eh, I want to sit down, you know, that one, I could, I could have listened to them all night and, and just the energy they brought was this ridiculous.

[00:17:41] Nathan Poppe: But what’s, what’s fantastic is that, you know, you could take an Oklahoma artists like Steve, and then you could, you could connect him back to somebody like Camille Hart who plays in Norman all the time. And she’s a fantastic songwriter in her own right. And wonderful performer. And then you can, follow all of the people that Luke Dick is working with.

And you can see that, you know, I remember first seeing him play at Norman Music Festival. And if you stuck around, then you’d see Beau Jennings and it can just all kind of like tumble and tumble. And, you know, if you’re not careful, you’ll fall in love with all these people. 

[00:18:10] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. And it sounds like you have. I appreciate that though. I appreciate you sharing your love for local artists with us. 

[00:18:17] Marissa Raglin: The live entertainment community is still reeling from the damage done over the last few years due to the pandemic. What are the things we, the audience can do to ensure that it does come back? 

[00:18:28] Nathan Poppe: Get a couple of little shots in your arm.

[00:18:30] Marissa Raglin: Yeah. 

[00:18:31] Nathan Poppe: That’s not a bad idea. It’s a great place to start. I would say, you know, it’s kind of a perilous time. We’ve seen like concerts come back and then they’ve had to take a step back and then they’ve come back and then they tours get pushed back a little bit. You know, it’s a trying time.

If you, one of those bands that you really wanted to see how to move their show or cancel it by their mark. Support them in any way, shape or form that you can so they can keep doing what they’re doing. I know that’s a big motivator for people is seeing their faces and watching them connect with the music and all of that friction that happens in a live concert setting.

Like can’t always do that and it’s not always the safest time to do it, but find a way to support the bands you really care about. So you can keep making memories with them. And, you know, when shows will be back eventually. And I would just say conserve your energy and your dollars.

Save it and go enjoy it when it comes back, I’m most excited that Norman Music Festival is coming back at the end of April. So three days. Free music. Yeah. Save a lot of your energy for that. But yeah, there’s, there’s no shortage of ways to support a lot of these people. And I’m sure they’ll love to hear from you.

[00:19:43] Josh Vaughn: Yeah and you’re shooting the Norman Music Festival. 

[00:19:45] Nathan Poppe: You’re going to have to try and stop me. Going every year. And I’m not going to stop now 

[00:19:50] Josh Vaughn: When the pandemic hit the live entertainment industry was hit extremely hard. How did the absence of community affect you? Did you have a better appreciation for it in its absence?

[00:20:03] Nathan Poppe: The pandemic struck and, you know, concerts were one of the first things to start getting canceled in a way, it was kind of nice to get a breather, but you know, after a month or two, you just start missing a lot of those faces. It really is a community. And so a lot of people that I see often it would be at concerts and we would have those conversations in between sets and grabbing a beer at the bar.

And do you know, oh, there’s, there’s John Fullbright or there’s one of the guys from Husbands or there’s Chase Kerby. Like you run into these people constantly. It’s a relatively small circle. So I missed a lot of faces. I’m thankful for the people that kept in touch, you know, it’s good. I got a buddy named that I met through music, his name is Andy Adams and FaceTiming with him and watching his concerts, him live streaming to people. Yeah. Made me absolutely appreciate live music more. It makes it a lot easier to heckle people. But yeah, I mean, absolutely. I miss that. It was, it’s something that I would it on any given night, if I’m not super sleepy or I already played too much Nintendo, I would, I would love to go to a concert.

I mean, you definitely miss it. It’s like a reflex. It’s like, ah, what do you want to do this weekend? I, they want to go see a movie or go see a concert. So, you know, it took some adjusting to sit home on the couch or miss a bunch of concerts, but hopefully, there’ll be back stronger than ever. 

[00:21:19] Josh Vaughn: One thing that it seems like you have really found your community through this, like you found your people, he found the people that bring you joy, the people that lifts you up. Well, or a portion of those people, what does that community look like to you? And why are they your people? I mean, getting mixed up in the live music and concert world, was that a driving force for you?

[00:21:45] Nathan Poppe: I mean, you start recognizing faces, you start recognizing bartenders, you recognize the person that takes your ticket at the window. You recognize other concertgoers that that will tell you what they just found at guestroom records. I mean, yeah, absolutely. It’s a community it’s kind of this hive of like-minded people that are, you know, ready to sit back and enjoy something together.

I think the greatest gift like the music community has given to me is that. We’ll never make sense onstage in a concert. Like it’s just not going to happen. I can think I’m as cool as I was a Joe Cool. As Snoopy, like anybody would get that reference. I don’t have a lick of music ability, but I can do other things so I can, my camera can be my instrument in a way, and I can help connect bands to other bands.

I can help with music videos. I can do other things and, you know, it’s fantastic to be able to get asked, like, Hey, who should we book for this thing? Or, Hey, when this band was here three years ago, what was that actually like, should we bring them back? And I’m like somewhat, if there’s a jeopardy category about random Oklahoma concert trivia, I’m just going to dominate that category.

Yeah. It’s given me a way to be a part of an artistic community. And for someone that, you know, wouldn’t be able to, I don’t know, again, I shouldn’t touch a guitar. They’re heavy, they’re expensive. I’m just going to mess things up. But you know, I’ve gotten to travel. I’ve gotten to go to a Willie Nelson’s ranch because of this stuff and not a million years would I have. I thought that that was even a real place. 

[00:23:20] Marissa Raglin: Yeah. Tell us more about that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So we can share. 

[00:23:25] Nathan Poppe: Willie has a ranch. He shot a movie on it called the Red Headed Stranger many moons ago. And so there’s like a lot of sets also like facades that look like a Western town, but like the, the saloon is real.

And every year in March, at least in the before times they do this thing called the Luck Reunion. They open it up to a small, I think, I think it’s only between like a thousand or 1500 people and they have a festival on his ranch and I got invited to shoot it one year and, you know, It was crazy. Oh, there he is.

And that is not a living legend and I’m in his western town. I mean, it was, it was honestly surreal. And if you would have ever, if you could like me travel back in time and say like, Hey little Nathan, no, you’re an elementary school, but definitely go see Willie Nelson. Go to as many concerts as you want to.

I’d be like, wow, I don’t know what you’re talking about, but all right, Mr. But it’s just crazy that it happened. 

[00:24:20] Josh Vaughn: What do you think the connector was that they called you for that one? 

[00:24:25] Nathan Poppe: It was a gentleman named Scott Marsh. He was booking at the criteria and I was their house photographer at the time. And we knew each other at Oklahoma state. He was managing a band called Taddy Porter and he said, Hey man, One day, I’m going to open a venue and you’re going to be my photographer. And I’m like, okay. And sure enough, he totally did. All came from, you know, doing some interviews and concerts back when this whole thing started.

And, you know, that’s kind of like the weird magic of all of this is that you never know what what’s going to happen. Some of these people just, just skyrocket. I mean, it takes a lot of hard work and a lot of effort, but, you know, I saw like John Moreland and perform on the OSU campus for like earth, day, years back.

And I was just like, stumbled on it. And now that guy is like, you know, songwriter royalty, credible talent. Yeah. One in a million talent. And somehow he’s from here somehow, but I don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s just all of these, these small moments of friction eventually add up into something. And I think if I could tell anything to anybody that gets excited about this world. It’s a marathon and not a race and just stick around and find ways to make it fun and be helpful. And I don’t know, I’ve never thought it would ever really turn into a lot of these opportunities, but if you stick around and are inconsistent and make it work and are a good hang, really incredible things can happen.

[00:25:49] Josh Vaughn: And I think part of that is also that you’re very, you’re very adept at keeping relationships open and making every moment count with people you’re around and for you, I think community and relationship matters. And so you treat people right, you leave doors open for community, and that really makes a difference.

You’re reaping the benefits of that of relationships you had in college are taking you to places like. Willie Nelson’s ranch or the Khruangbin concert. 

[00:26:16] Nathan Poppe: And man, that was so much fun. I mean, I, yeah I got hired to, to shoot their concert on behalf of the band and they’re this cosmic, Texas instrumental funky groove thing.

It kind of feels like they just like alien spaceship crash landed with a bunch of disco balls fell out. Yeah. I mean that, that’s just, that’s just magic. I mean, they had the craziest lights set up beautiful stage and you’re just, you’re just kind of chasing the light and making sure things are in focus at that point.

Man, I mean, nothing beats that feeling. It’s it’s, you know, you feed off the excitement of all those people around you and you just do your best to, to make some good work. And I don’t know, it’s just a. It feels almost like you’re cheating or something like , you’re like, this is a thing that you can do to make money.

Yeah. Unbelievable. Like, I feel like I’m pulling one over somebody it’s it’s it truly is remarkable, but that was, that was. An absolute blast. And if I could do that every night, be a die, a very happy man, but I’d miss Kevin a lot.

[00:27:18] Josh Vaughn: Because you are a man of many talents and many, many endeavors. You are also the editor-in-chief for the Curbside Chronicle.

That is an awesome moniker. Thank you for making a monthly magazine that gives a voice for the people who are experiencing and, or at risk of homelessness. I love the creative elements that you bring to the publication, but tell us a bit about your favorite creative projects that you have worked on with the Curbside.

[00:27:38] Nathan Poppe: Man my favorite curbside projects, while I’ll tell you like the first thing that pops into my mind every month is what’s the cover going to look like? Because it is very important because I, at the end of the day, I want our vendors to be proud of what they’re selling and when they hold up that magazine, I want it, I want it to be striking.

I want it to get people’s attention. And I, I don’t want, I want people to look at that and go, ah, what’s going on there? What is this about? What are you, what do you got there? Because, you know, that’s what sparks these conversations. We print about 12,000 copies of this magazine every month. And that is potentially 12,000 tiny moments that might not have happened normally.

When I, when I grew up, I wasn’t necessarily like taught any one thing or way to react, but we just kept walking. We didn’t, we never, like, never had like a conversation with my family and I don’t blame anybody, but that was just kind of like what we did. And so I really didn’t have a lot of these conversations.

And so it’s really exciting to see that, that again, that friction happened. And so I’m always trying to make beautiful covers. I know you’ve been instrumental in making that happen before. 

[00:28:45] Marissa Raglin: Yeah. That was a wonderful opportunity. 

[00:28:47] Nathan Poppe: She did a December cover. That was like all the joy of Christmas, all taped and glued together.

It was wonderful. 

[00:28:54] Marissa Raglin: Thank you. 

[00:28:55] Nathan Poppe: And so like I’m always trying to work with very talented artists and people that get what we’re doing. And so I’m always really excited to work on great covers. We just did an issue about patient dumping. 

[00:29:09] Josh Vaughn: Yeah, definitely. That was a, that was a tough article to read. 

[00:29:14] Nathan Poppe: It was, it took several months to report.

And if anybody’s unfamiliar that term, it’s essentially when you are discharged from a hospital on you’re experiencing homelessness very often, you don’t always have a place to go. And when you’re still healing a day shelter or a night shelter might really not be the place for you. There’s not trained medical staff at these places.

And so there are scenarios where people that are sick and still need time at the hospital, or, you know, need medical help don’t have anywhere to go. And I had honestly never read anything about that in our community at any point in time. And we were able to work with Kayla Branch and the frontier staff and publish a really stellar story and put a face on it and talk to a gentleman named Howard who got into this terrible bike accident a couple years back where it just basically smashed his hip, shattered it, and, you know, It, it took him months to recover and thank goodness he was able to get a bad, but there’s only five respite beds in Oklahoma city where somebody like him could heal.

There’s five beds. 

[00:30:13] Josh Vaughn: And then do you have a rough estimate of population of the unhoused right now?

[00:30:16] Nathan Poppe: Well next month, we’re going to be doing the point in time count, which is something that Oklahoma city does every year. We’ve actually, unfortunately, had to take a little break during the pandemic, but this is the first time in quite a while.

And that is a one night count where it takes dozens and dozens of volunteers and social workers working together to count our unhoused population. And it’s it’s an incredible effort. It’s a very eyeopening experience. It starts at four in the morning and absolutely changes the way that you look at the city.

That is, that is something else we’ll have that updated number and we’ll do a state of homelessness issue in curbside. So we’ll have a better feeling of how many people are experiencing homelessness in our community, but it’s a tricky time. Obviously, the pandemic has impacted everyday life and made it harder for people experiencing poverty.

So I don’t want that number to be high, but we’ll get out there and meet with people and hopefully get them connected to services that’ll get them housed. 

[00:31:13] Marissa Raglin: What are some of the biggest challenges that the unhoused population face? 

[00:31:17] Nathan Poppe: One of the biggest challenges is that, you know, how hot was it today?

Almost 70 degrees in Oklahoma City, you know, in less than 48 hours, it might be snowing and eight degrees outside. Yeah. That’s one of the most immediate things that comes to mind is just Oklahoma’s weather. It’s intense. I mean, we’ve got that wind that just wears you down. And when that makes us with the cold and it hits your toes and your fingers, you worry about hyperthermia.

You worry about frostbite. I mean, there are clients at the Homeless Alliance that lose limbs when it gets too cold outside and. That is just one of the more like obvious, terrible things about living outside is that that’s a really tough thing to, to fight. And so I’m always worried about the weather because I’m a wuss.

I walk outside when it’s cold and my brain turns off. Like I was a vacuum cleaner whose plug came out of the wall, I just turn off. And so I know that’s a really, really big challenge for people. And I worry about that and, you know, With the thing about homelessness is that it’s never just one thing. And then when you’re out there, you’re, you you’re maybe dealing with, with mental health, you’re dealing with trauma from the past, you’re dealing with extreme poverty.

You’re dealing with not knowing where your next meal came from. It’s complicated and it, those things add up really fast. And so I’m thankful to get the opportunity to, to learn more about this world, but I mean, it’s one of those, one of those topics where the more you learn more complicated, it gets, it’s a twisty web.

And so I guess the short answer is I worry about a lot, but I’m thankful for the people that do care and do make a difference. My coworkers at the Homeless Alliance, boggle my mind at how hard they work to make it easier for people to. I have a stronger tomorrow. I mean, when any day could be the worst day of your life, it’s just gotta be exhausting out there.

And so I think a lot of what my coworkers do and I get to help document is just, they’re unraveling all of that and it doesn’t happen overnight. I hope through a lot of the work that I do, people can, you know, at least be more aware and have a better understanding of what somebody’s transitioning out of homelessness is like, is at the end of the day, I feel like you have a lot more in common with somebody living outside than somebody living in a mansion.

[00:33:34] Josh Vaughn: Oh, definitely. 

[00:33:36] Marissa Raglin: Yeah. I think too, for those that are listening, you know, there’s not just one answer. So what are some of the most effective ways that someone can help. 

[00:33:43] Nathan Poppe: Like share subscribe to the Homeless Alliance. They’re constantly giving announcements of donations that they’re looking for and ways that you can help.

We often do these art shows. Cause we, we have this program called Fresh Start where artists at the Oklahoma city day shelter gets some time to work on some fantastic pieces. And sometimes we’ll get to show that at DNA Gallery. And gosh, what a crazy opportunity to learn, how talented some of our folks in our community are, and then, you know, make you know, that money goes to the artists.

That’s incredible. I mean, that’s, I mean, money’s great, but just even the boost of confidence in seeing that little sticker on your piece, I’ve seen people’s entire, like there, everything just like, it’s like a switch gets flipped when they’re just like in there working and they’re like at a totally different person, it’s unbelievable.

Other ways that people can help. I mean, it sounds, I sound like a, like a 10-year-old opening, a birthday card, but money, if this is something that we all do to make better people have to put money where their mouth is. Because it does take a lot of work and the Homeless Alliance does have grants and it does get money, some money from the city, but a great deal of what we do as possible because of the generosity of our community, the whole like cheesy tagline is together, we can end homelessness, but that is truly that’s it. I mean, the more that we remember that these are people on, these are our neighbors and everybody gets on that same page. I mean, that’s how we start, you know, making a change and shifting towards something different. I’ve never seen this many people talk about this topic at any point in time in my life.

And I hope that’s true. Yeah. 

[00:35:15] Josh Vaughn: And hopefully it’s more than, than talking. Hopefully, it’s more than then just, I mean, it’s great to buy a copy of the Curbside Chronicle, anytime that you come across that. But I also think it’s, we need to take upon ourselves as, as upholding. You know, we like to talk about the Oklahoma standard in Oklahoma and all Okies know that this is probably one of the most primal iterations of the Oklahoma standard is our neighbors that are unhoused, that can’t get medical care. They can’t get mental care that they need. You know, we need to start ourselves looking at our budgets and say, what can I start steering even $10 a month or whatever you can do, but start budgeting for your family and stuff and being purposeful and intentional about it too, to give.

I mean, that will end it quicker than about anything, because I know the Homeless Alliance is taking those monies and using them intelligently because I don’t know how, where the money needs to go. I don’t know who needs what, when, but you guys do so I would encourage everybody to, just to think more about that.

[00:36:22] Nathan Poppe: I mean, it, it. These changes don’t happen overnight. So it does really, I love how you’re thinking about that. Like, it really does help to be intentional and, you know, we move so fast. I mean, especially if you have a car and you’re driving to work, you just, you know, you fly by people on the sidewalk. You don’t know what kind of day they’re having.

You don’t know what that person is thinking at the bus stop. Cause you’re going 45 miles an hour. And so I think it definitely doesn’t hurt to just slow down, listen, and find out a good way to be a helper. It sounds cheesy, but man, Mr. Rogers was he’s right. Look for the helpers and do they’re doing. You’re never 

going to go wrong if you’re falling Bob Ross or Mr.Rogers instructions.  

[00:37:03] Marissa Raglin: I really liked just I’m thinking of your experience as a photographer for bands and concert settings and how you were connected through community. And now with your role as editor in chief of the curbside Chronicle community is a common thread there where you’re thinking about your neighbors.

I’m just curious how, how the overlap for you. I know that’s a question out of left field. 

[00:37:25] Nathan Poppe: Something like Curbside doesn’t work without trust. Right. And what’s a community, but a group of people that you can trust and learn and grow from and be a part of. And so the reason that I’m able to do like document people who are moving in to their home after maybe several months, or several years or decades of homelessness, that’s one of the most amazing things that I get to work on.

Or we like to sit down and talk about something as simple as, what did it feel like when your key went in to the door of your apartment after 20 years of experiencing homelessness, like, and I get to sit there with them because they trust what we did. We, they trust the work that went into, you know, Curbside being a part of their life and helping in their homelessness.

We have some amazing case managers that are working on that constantly. And so, I mean, they create a community and, you know, those people opened their doors to us. And it’s, it’s unreal. And I mean, you, it’s not easy to, to build trust. I mean, that’s the thing about homelessness. It’s so isolating and confusing and complicated and moving into a place though, you know, you might not even realize how Amazing.

That is but when we get to like sit down and really think about what does it mean that you can walk into your own kitchen and make a meal? What does it mean to like walk into your bathroom instead of two miles to a ditch somewhere.

[00:38:47] Josh Vaughn: Open your refrigerator and there’s food in it? 

[00:38:48] Nathan Poppe: I mean, sit on the couch.

[00:38:50] Josh Vaughn: You’re not looking at trashcan, you’re looking at fresh food that you were able to provide. 

[00:38:56] Nathan Poppe: I mean, yeah, that’s overwhelming. I mean, that’s, it’s definitely different from like the music community, but at the end of the day, it’s, it’s kind of people that trust you and are inviting you into their world. And so that’s the most special thing about what any of us do is just getting to be a part of these people’s lives.

[00:39:12] Josh Vaughn: I can only imagine how difficult your position can be at times, but what are some of the big takeaways for you as editor-in-chief what inspires you to tackle this job month after month? 

[00:39:23] Nathan Poppe: The thing that helps me stick with this world is just, I’m always learning something new every time I think I’ve got it all figured out.

Somebody surprises me. You know, we’re working on this story right now, where I’m collecting songs that are important to touring musicians and are important to folks who sell Curbside. And it blows my mind, like how, I mean, at the end of the day, we all have things that are important to us. And music is this fantastic connector has this way to combine like two of my passions.

And I’m just, I’m blown away by, by we had this vendor named Lisa who started talking about, Hey Jude, by the Beatles. And you know, how. She connects that back to her brother who had recently passed away. And, you know, she saw all these parallels between his life and their relationship, and it was just so thoughtful and what she gained from that song and how she goes back to it.

And again, it kind of helps her stop and realize like, man, when things get heavy, don’t carry the world on your shoulders. And I’m like, that’s I have no idea what song you’re going to pick or what it would mean to you. It could have been who let the dogs out by the Baja Men because, I like it because it’s the best song in the world, but that’s just me.

But that’s what brings me back to this is because the people will surprise you. You’ll you’ll learn that somebody who just started selling Curbside can be passionate about something the same way that somebody who’s playing music to arenas can feel towards the song? 

[00:40:54] Josh Vaughn: And it’s a great connection point. I think for a lot of people that are walking down the street, it’s the unknown factors of, you know, there is somebody there, there come across somebody who’s in house that are experiencing homelessness or, and they don’t have a connection point or they don’t think so. I think it’s a lot of the unknown.

I think this is one of the great things about the Curbside Chronicle is those veils and those barriers start coming down. They start coming down and people realize, oh wait, you know, they really like Hotel California. And I do too. 

[00:41:26] Nathan Poppe: And you might like, somebody might like a Game of Thrones or Jeeps or whatever.

There’s more stuff that connects us than drives us apart, ultimately. There’s hope that if, if anybody gets anything from picking one of these issues up and opening it and reading the inside is that they, they might have something in common. 

[00:41:46] Josh Vaughn: Can you describe really quick, just like how that picking up an issue, how does that benefit the person who saw it?

[00:41:53] Nathan Poppe: So there’s a $2 suggested donation for Curbside, but you can pay with a fiver or 10, 20, a hundred, a million-dollar bill if you’re feeling feisty, but say you pay with a $5 bill that all goes to the vendor and they set their own hours. They set how long they’re going to work and where, and, you know, they’re learning money management skills because every magazine they buy seventy-five cents an issue they’re investing back into themselves.

And so, you know, teaching them skills. It’s not only the money side of things, but I think I mentioned how isolating homelessness can be. And so, gosh, it blows my mind, you know, seeing a vendor one day and then maybe a month or so later, and just how their confidence can change and how they’re like, man, I wouldn’t talk to anybody if you paid me, but now I have people say hi to me.

People might smile at me. They might have a short conversation with me, can change your entire day, you know, those interactions. And so they’re extremely valuable. 

[00:42:52] Josh Vaughn: I know if it was me, that was going through something like that, of me being able to work and to do input and have be able to affect the inflection of my trajectory is just so empowering that you, that you have hope instantaneously just coming from, from that of being able to have this opportunity to provide somewhat for yourself can lead to greater opportunities in the confidence to be able to move into a home sometime and have a car.

And those things it’s just seems like it’s, there’s so much that stacked against the in-house population, that this almost reverses that process and gives them baby steps to like go the other direction and exponentially one leads to the other that they’re able to change the trajectory of their lives and their family’s life.

[00:43:38] Nathan Poppe: Absolutely. I mean, in a perfect world, I hope everybody that does Curbside would be able to step into the next thing, you know, maybe whether that be traditional employment or, or some sort of brighter future. I hope that it can give them the confidence to know that’s possible. Right. And yeah, I can’t put a dollar amount on that, man.

[00:43:59] Josh Vaughn: Definitely. 

[00:44:00] Marissa Raglin: So on top of all of that, you design enamel pins. What got you into the pin biz?

[00:44:07] Nathan Poppe: So I had a friend in Tulsa and every time we saw each other, we would trade pins. I was just kind of like a fun thing to do. And then I was like I guess I could, I could keep buying them, but what if I like made my own and it sort of spiraled out of control after that point, it’s just a fun, little tiny art project at the end of the day.

I love that, you know, one of the pins is the milk bottle building. Yeah. And it’s so crazy how people from like California or Washington or New York or Florida or whatever, they’ll be like, oh man, that reminds me of home. And I’m just like this tiny piece of metal does that, like, it sparks that in you and makes you feel a certain way?

And then they’ll wear that on their jean jacket or whatever. And people are like, what’s that mean? And they’re like, I’ll tell you what that means. To me. It reminds me of where I came from. Like, that’s just so wild. I mean, it’s like tiny little personalities that you can wear on yet. Yeah. It’s nuts. That’s cool.

[00:45:03] Marissa Raglin: Is the milk bottle your favorite child then? 

[00:45:05] Nathan Poppe: That was like one of the very first ones. I do love it. I have another one. That’s more popular, super nerdy. The nerds out there will appreciate it. If anybody’s played the Nintendo switch, it is a Nintendo switchblade. So it’s a half an Nintendo switch controller and then half knife. That’s fun for the whole family, 

[00:45:24] Josh Vaughn: but I want to play games or stab you. I’m not sure yet. 

[00:45:27] Nathan Poppe: I have sold a surprising amount of those and like people that actually work at Nintendo have bought them from, and it’s kind of cool. I’m just really glad I haven’t been sued. 

[00:45:37] Marissa Raglin: I would really like to hear what your dream creative project would be?

[00:45:41] Nathan Poppe: Woah, I already did the Flaming Lips thing, so I needed a new, like favorite band to fall in love with and work with. I’ve thought about this from time to time. Like I would dream of working with like a small production crew and we’d just make documentaries and music videos interesting.

People in Oklahoma making fantastic things. Like it’d just be essentially just me working with my buddies, which is always fantastic. But all we would do is help spread the word of fantastic work. And that would give me an excuse to rub elbows with the music world and make things that I’m excited about.

I mean, I love, I love documentaries. Like that’s another big thing that got me roped into wanting to make anything or pick up a camera in the first place was somebody like Bradley Beasley who makes us documentary about fishing for catfish, with your hands called hooky noodling. And just like realizing that, oh, he shot that here.

I mean, I thought we were just country music in college football. There’s a whole like weird fishing subset that I didn’t even know existed that had to just find that and tell stories like that and share what makes this place special. That’s cool. 

[00:46:54] Josh Vaughn: You shared with this what you create, but we would also like to know why you create.

[00:47:02] Nathan Poppe: Hmm. I would just be, just be twiddling my thumbs if I didn’t. I mean, I am super inspired by Ira Glass. You guys familiar? He hosts a podcast like the podcast. Oh gee, This American Life. It’s fantastic. There’s like 600 episodes. If you’re bored. 

[00:47:20] Josh Vaughn: Ironically, I don’t listen to podcasts. 

You could have fooled me, but it’s one of the best podcasts ever.

Cool. I’ll check it out. And his advice is essentially just set a deadline. If you want to make something, do it and do it again and then do it again because that’s the only way you’re ever going to get better at it. And what happens when things get hard is most of the time people quit or switch gears or do something else.

[00:47:47] Nathan Poppe: But if you really do care about. Keep doing it and do it again. And gosh, that might be the best way to sum up this entire conversation like it did. I went to one concert, then I went to another one and I went to another one and then I went to war. So I mean, if I could, if I could leave any like nugget wisdom for why I do this and what makes sense with creative work.

Keep at it. Just do the work. Yeah. Who knows when it’s going to click, I always am super inspired by a musician named Sturgill Simpson. Oh yeah. Who broke? Who broke big in his forties? Yeah. Anybody would tell you that you’re you’re done.

[00:48:23] Josh Vaughn: Well, that’s what everybody told him. They told him not only that he’s done that he wasn’t going to get started.

That’s the awesome thing about it is he was just like, that’s all right. I’m just going to keep doing my thing. And every, you know, history is told what’s happened with him.

[00:48:34] Nathan Poppe: I mean, so funny, his wife, they went on a date night and to a bar that had an open mic. She signed him up and packed his guitar in the back of the car without telling him and said, okay, you’re up.

And, you know, that’s great. You might not even believe in yourself all of the time, but when you talk about community, surrounded by people that love you and know what you love and why you love it and push you to do it. Gosh, that’s how magic it happens, man. 

[00:49:02] Josh Vaughn: Yeah. That’s, I think that’s the type of community that every creative is starved for.

I mean, that’s what we can only, only hope for it. And it’s fully accessible if we ourselves make ourselves vulnerable, to be in relationship with each other and to be help each other, be creatives and, and give ourselves a little bit to everybody around us. I mean, that. Like his wife or, you know, your friend or whoever just, you know, just really support those creatives around you and give yourself to them and you have nothing to lose and they have everything to gain.

[00:49:37] Nathan Poppe: So yeah, none of this stuff happens overnight. 

[00:49:39] Josh Vaughn: Oh, now, I mean, Yeah, none of the good stuff does. Right. 

[00:49:43] Marissa Raglin: So what does cultivating community through creativity look like to you and how would you like to see that activated in the future? 

[00:49:52] Nathan Poppe: Hmm, man, I work in the world of communication and I just want it to be easier for, for people to share what they do and how they do it.

Anytime anybody asked to sit down with me and asked me questions like this over coffee, I’m an open book, man. Like there’s no reason to have any secrets to any of this stuff. Like if you’re passionate about you want to, what you want to do and you can find people that can see that. And since that and share about it, that’s, that’s fantastic.

The only way any of us get better. So I feel you like, you know, share with people how much you charge for something. I mean, that’s, that can take somebody just sitting there staring into the void for several hours. Like what is, what is my timeline. Well, it is my art worth. Like these are such hard questions.

None of us should have to answer them alone. Community is a group of people that, you know, you can stop, text them or figure out a weekend for them to meet and you go and make and work together on something. Because again, no man is an island I’ve talked to about a lot of these projects that I work on, but like great thing about Oklahoma and was that it was a news room. You know, the great thing about a lot of these music video, things that I’ve worked on in the past and concerts is I, if I didn’t have people like Jeremy Charles, who was shooting concerts, you know, while I was in high school. I don’t think that makes them sound old, but like, you know, he helped me realize that like, that could be a thing, you know, then he came and talked to my class when I was teaching at UCO.

And it’s just like full circle, but being in good communicator and being open to it and be an open book. That’s what I would tell people. 

[00:51:21] Josh Vaughn: Accessible be available. 

[00:51:23] Nathan Poppe: But if you burn me even once…no, you know. 

[00:51:29] Josh Vaughn: Oh my gosh. That’s good. So, quick, name a few of your biggest inspirations who has had a part in making you or have affected your trajectory significantly enough to land you to where you are today. 

[00:51:44] Nathan Poppe: I mentioned this a little bit earlier, but like the O’Colly news room. So my buddy’s like, Zach Gray, who is a photographer, still a friend today. Adam Camp, he was a sports writer and features writer that like got good. So fast. It’s crazy. He’s one of my favorite writers to this day. Barbara Allen, who is like our big time mentor and, and helped out at the newsroom, like just giving us kids direction was huge.

I mean, I mentioned, jeremy Charles, a fantastic photographer based out of Tulsa. Who’s doing a lot of videography work today with the Tribes. His stuff is fantastic. He’s making short films. Bradley Beasley is another one. Go watch his movies, go watch Fearless Freaks, go watch Okie Noodling with Sweethearts of the Rodeo.

So inspiring and stinking good. Trying to think of other people that have made an impact. I mean, my mentor, George Lange and Brandy McDonald, they were these fantastic entertainment writers and culture writers that like again, made me realize that that’s a thing that you can do here. Just fantastic connectors and like genuine sweet people.

Yeah. I mean, they’ve made a huge impact. Doug Hoke at the Oklahoma, one of the first people that ever like lended me a lens and believed in me and like assigned me concerts. I shot a Taylor Swift concert with a rebel T2i and a 50-millimeter lens. 

[00:52:55] Josh Vaughn: Dear Lord. 

[00:52:56] Nathan Poppe: I had no idea what I was doing, folks. I made it through that one, but that I, you know, smart enough to be like, I felt like I needed different lenses and I did.

Yeah. I needed a lot of help, but yeah. He’s an incredible photographer and so gracious with his time and that’s awesome. Yeah. Ranya Forgotson and Whitley O’Connor who started the Curbside Chronicle and are still with me and still at the magazine today. I mean big inspirations, but yeah, there’s no shortage.

I could go on forever, but yeah, there’s a lot of folks out there that. You know, make me want to do this and help me along the way. That’s awesome. 

[00:53:30] Josh Vaughn: That’s cool. Well, Nathan, we’re wrapping things up on this episode. Is there anything that you’d like to share with us? What creative projects you have or life events that are in the queue.

[00:53:37] Nathan Poppe: Always pick up an issue of Curbside Chronicle every single month lab, we’ll have a brand new issue for you every month. Excited about this art show this photo show, mostly like a lot of my concert work that will be at Lively Brewing at the end of March. That’s going to be fantastic. 

[00:53:51] Josh Vaughn: March 25th, we’ll have an artist’s reception for you.

[00:53:53] Nathan Poppe: Very excited about that. I’m probably going to get married this year. That’s exciting. I’m going to be a real grownup. 

[00:54:00] Josh Vaughn: Does she know? 

[00:54:01] Nathan Poppe: She’ll know. Okay. She already said yes. Thanks for listening all the way to the end. Oh yeah. And then the other most awesome dog ever. So I do have Kevin in my life, so I got, I got no complaints, so well, 

[00:54:13] Josh Vaughn: Thanks for being on the podcast, Nathan, thank you.

[00:54:16] Nathan Poppe: Yeah, of course. 

[00:54:17] Josh Vaughn: Thanks to Nathan Poppe for sharing his time with us and thank you for tuning in to the Rally podcast. 

[00:54:21] Marissa Raglin: Be sure to follow, like and subscribe to our podcast. Check us out on instagram @Rally.Up.Okc or online at rallyokc.com. Thanks again for listening to this episode on behalf of Josh and me, Cheers.

Hope you listen to me again, soon. 

[00:54:53] Josh Vaughn: I like to talk pretty well. Haha.

[00:54:57] Nathan Poppe: I need a stiff drink. This thing’s going nowhere.